Friday, July 27, 2012

A Long Debate with a Reactionary

Note by Me: This reactionary is really slick and exposed his true card. He lied and called Hitler a socialist, denied that Reagan funded Saddam, and he believes that all blacks must accept the tenets of the Tea Party movement. Here are some of my refutations of this man. My words are in bold. He was slick since he said that he isn't a racist, but he deleted his comments about claiming that Palestinians aren't equal to Israelis (which is racism blatantly). Later, he became angry and used ad hominem attacks. In many times, when someone is refuted, they use ad hominem attacks. He talked about capitalism when cartel-capitalism is responsible for imperialism and the Maafa. He tries to make me support a documentary with a man named Glen Beck (who called the Katrina victims scum and Beck disrespected the children of the White House, which is cowardly. He had to apologize when this coward got caught). He tried to intimidate a smart Sister (whose Youtube name of "SuperBlackWoman1"), because this Sister was refuting this man left and right, but it didn't work on the Sister. This tactic won't work one me. See, these types of people are trying to brainwash people of color (especially blacks) to accept their lies, but it isn't going to work.

By Timothy

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No one can take you seriously because you obviously have no education. You have been programmed to call any black man who tries to think for himself and/or tries to better himself an uncle tom. Why should anyone be for Black History Month? We live in America. I don't celebrate Scottish History Month. Such a thing does not exist. We are American's. We celebrate The 4th of July and Independence Day. These holidays are for all American's. They do not discriminate like Black History Month does.


  • A black person learning about their black identity within a month has nothing to do with discrimination. It's about affirming one's heritage. There are months celebrating Hispanics, women, and folks of other backgrounds. Yet, you don't complain about those months. We know why you complain about Black History Month. Every black person has the right to respect their ethnic identity and promote more black families to flourish in the world. Americans exists, but we shouldn't follow blind patriotism.
  • A black person who lives in america and is an american citizen can not and will not find their identity within black history month. The only thing it does is promote discrimination and further separation of all Americans. I do complain about any other months that celebrate anything other than America's heritage. Other countries are not expected to devote months to other heritages.
    Who is "we"? Tell me exactly why I complain about black history month.

     

  • Any black person can find history, culture, and insight within black history month all of the time. A month that allows people to learn about culture, gender, and ethnicity without malice has nothing to do with discrimination. If that's the case, you can't have Mexican restaurants or Caribbean food stores. We is in reference to those who advocate the elimination of ethnic appreciation (or the racism is nearly dead types). You complain since you want blacks to be malleable, docile Americans.
  • There are many ways to enjoy and learn about culture without devoting a whole month to it. It is very evident what you think of me, without even knowing me. I want all Americans, no matter their race or background or heritage to be proud to be an american and to want to succeed. We have advantages that no other countries have and yet these freedoms keep being taken away from us. You can pretend I'm the one who is racist, although we both the truth. So what's the point?
  • Where did I say that you are racist. You are putting words in my mouth. I said that you have a certain position. You are entitled to that position. I have a right to disagree with you. Yes, you can learn about cultures, genders, and backgrounds for a year, but we have a history in this country that omitted my people's cultural history. That is why a month is made for various backgrounds in order for society to acknowledge contributions. People should respect the legitimate parts of America.
  • You have made it very clear what you think of me without having to say the words. Don't play innocent. You do not seem to get that when you live in America, you become American. You are free to remember and respect your ancestors all you want. But it is not a part of American history. It is not a part of who we all are as a nation. Without american solders of all backgrounds defending our freedom we would not have thee rights you now abuse. You should respect the solders who died to give u this.
  • LOL. I guess I must be the heretic since I reject jingoistic patriotism.
  • You are unbelievable. First you demand that all Americans should learn about your customs and heritage through Black history month. Then you turn around and bash and refuse anything to do with the country in which you live. Being patriotic and being thankful for the people who died, so that you have the right to be able to voice your idiotic opinions, is not jingoistic. You enjoy all of the rights we have, but refuse to acknowledge why we have them. That's not heresy, it's treason.
  • Tons of American leaders and heroes offered even controversial critiques of American society. These critiques weren't treasonous nor invalid. I didn't say all Americans should agree with Black History month. I said that it had a right to exist. I didn't bash the USA. I say that good aspects and imperfections exist in America. Worshipping a nation unconditionally is jingoistic. I have my rights, because of many reasons. It isn't treason to have an opinion that is contrary to the status quo.
  • How does any holiday or "history month" in this case, have a right to exist. Are we to hand out rights to inanimate objects as well? Imperfections exist in America because because people like you want to change EVERYTHING. Black History month as well as Hispanic history month and any other history type holidays were created by evil politicians who wanted to look good to get your vote. I never said I worshiped the U.S. I only worship God. I am thankful to the people who died giving me freedom.

     

  • Holidays and various months have the right to exist via laws, policies, declarations, and other methods. It's not a big deal. These celebrations relate to human beings not inanimate objects. Imperfections exist in America, because of oppression, discrimination, etc. People like me want to change everything evil in the world, yes. I want the world to be better via radical changes. Many decent, reasonable people agree with these types of months not exploitative politicians. My vote is my vote.
  • Holidays exist for various reasons. Black and Hispanic history month exist because people like you don't understand what being an American is. To be American there is no race or color. Everyone is equal. You want special rights and celebrations of things that have nothing to do with America. Imperfections exist because you wont open your eyes to the truth. No one is oppressing you. You are doing it to yourself by segregating yourself from the rest of America.
  • Cultural and ethnic identities exist in the world. Colorblindness is fantasy as proven by Sir Isaac Newton and mainstream scientific scholars. Varying Melanin levels in humans can be documented. Everyone is equal and I don't want special rights. I want justice. You just want the social safety net to be nearly eliminated. I don't segregate myself from the rest of America. Oppression against my people have been documented before you were born. To deny that is foolishness.


  • People have been oppressed since the beginning of time. Saying "My people" only unites yourself to the devotion and well being of one group or race of people. Therefore you are segregating. You stand up and defend the people of whom you belong to because of the color of your skin is the same. What about all of the other people who have suffered?What about the ones who suffer now. It's bewildering how you can feel so strongly for "your"people and continue to let them be lied to by the government.


    Lying to the government? The war on terror and the economic globalization (promoted by reactionaries) promoted huge lies in world society. Also, there is no evidence that trickled down economics (which is a huge aspect of reactionary thinking) can end poverty once and for all.

    I meant the government is lying to the average black person in America. And that you seem all for it. Did you even watch this video? You keep putting it down then you turn around and quote the same ideals. You are truly a puzzle.


    I watched the video. The government isn't perfect and it should be reformed (not privatized completely). Also, this video wants blacks to be collectively conservatives or Republicans (and falsely said that blacks who are non-conservatives are stuck in some mental plantation, which is offensive, ignorant terminology). The government has been infiltrated by corporate interests. I disagree with the video not calling for universal health care, an end to the war on terror, and a pro-poor policy.


    The government will never be perfect. It is only useful when it is limited. There are black communities who choose to be poor and collect money from the government in anyway they can so they do not have to work. I'm guessing you don't live in California. These people keep each other down by lying to themselves that all white people hate them and are against them. (I am not saying only black people do this.) You are blind if you don't see that the government promotes this.


    I don't live in CA. I live in VA, but tons of blacks in California are real and are determined to make solutions. Also, to stereotype blacks in California as hating all white people and claiming that all of them are against them is silly. You can expose white racism and white supremacy without blaming all whites for all ills in the world. The government now is infiltrated by special interests not the people. If the people ruled the government for real, then we'll see improvements here.


    I never said all black people in California hate white people. I never said black people were the only ones to abuse the system either. But there is a large number of black people (as well as other races) who live off of welfare and the system in California. Stating this fact does not mean I'm stereotyping. Pretending this is not a problem, doesn't make it go away. You act as though there are no black people who are racist as well. I agree that the people should rule the government.

    I don't believe that a large number of people abusing the welfare system. I think it's a minority. Welfare should be reformed to eliminate fraud without its total elimination. Problems exist across socioeconomic levels not just in the poor. There are corporate welfare, tax breaks, and other forms of crony capitalism (among the super rich that ought to be address). Some black people are prejudiced, but not in the level of white supremacy. You can't refute that at all.

    Of course you don't believe me. You have been so brainwashed that it will be next to impossible to deprogram you. Why don't you come and live in California, instead of your perfect little community, for a while. You will see first hand just how many people abuse welfare. People have grown so dependent on it they would not survive without it. It's sad. If capitalism is so evil, why did it survive longer than any other system ever. It never killed people by the thousands like socialism. (Cont.)

    I don't believe, because your philosophy has been refuted. Unfettered capitalism has failed. California is multifaceted with plenty of decent human beings. My community has strengths and I am not ashamed of my community. Some people abusing welfare doesn't represent a majority of folks on welfare. The answer to to much dependency is economic justice not austerity. Modern capitalism existed for a few centuries. Also, alternatives like a mixed economy are successful as well.
    Palestinians do not want to share. They want to concur and build an empire. You may know good Palestinians that live in America, as do I. But, over there they do terrible things. A week or two ago a student in Iran was caught with a beer in her hand. They arrested her, she was in prison 6 days. They gave her 80 lashes and 7 of the guards raped her 29 times. Where's the outrage? These Palestinians are not "Reactionary's" they are evil, rapists, and killers. Obviously, you know nothing about this
    Reagan was a mediocre Hollywood actor and he was an excellent actor as President. Reagan destroyed one union, caused the poverty rate to increase massively in his first team, was involved in funding the terrorist Contras, and hundreds of his own administration folks were accused of corrupt acts. Also, you biased against any dissent about Republicans is telling. Reagan was a hypocrite by claiming to be conservative, but he raised taxes plenty of times and he spent a lot of money.
    I research all of the time, so you shouldn't question that at all. Reagan was for the establishment and he was a member of the occult Bohemian Grove. We know what works and what doesn't. In a heterogeneous, complex society like America, we know that a mixed economy works best in America. We now that anarchy (that some Tea Party extremists advocate as in anarcho-capitalism) doesn't work. Quasi-socialistic nations in N. Europe have worked like Denmark, Finland, and Sweden.


    My statements about Reagan haven't been proven wrong. It's a fact that Reagan once supported Saddam with WMDs. It's a fact that Reagan support the Mujaheddin (which evolved into al-Qaeda). It's a fact that Reagan supported the liberty crushing Mulford Act in 1967. It's a fact that Reagan claims to be some hero, but demonized anti-war protesters exercising their First Amendment rights. So, yes, Ronald Reagan's card has been pulled by real people for years.
    Problems exist in the economic because financial elites used a policies of radical globalization, radical deregulation, financial speculation, and other policies. The debt increased because of the war on terror, and other policies. Also, debt increased across administration (not just in our current President's time). This situation existed before President Obama. I know a lot of our economy. You have an pseudo intellectual condensing attitude. Welfare can work when it's used properly.


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    A social democratic revolution have some good parts as admitted by Dr. King. Hitler was never a socialist. He brought socialists in concentration camps to be killed. He believed in select corporations to handle the economy of the Nazis. That isn't socialism. The Nazis shut down unions, killed minorities, and executed Communists as well. The Nazis supported economic inequality and use propaganda. That isn't socialism either. That's fascism. Oligarchy is more linked to monarchy than socialism.





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    Words by Others:
     
    There's a huge difference between Moderate Respecful Republicans like Condalisa Rice and Right Wing Extremists like Allen West who hates against anyone whos not conservative Allen West will do anything to suck up and please White Power Extremists like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck
    That's why the Tea Party pays Allen West to defend their white racism


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