Monday, January 09, 2006

One of the Best refutations of a 32rd Degree Freemason named Joseph Moss II








My words are in Bold. I will continue to edit this refutation as time goes on to make it more accurate.

This debate with Joseph W. Moss from Nevada. The website of
http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm
mention the 32nd Degree Freemason Joseph W. Moss as:

“Joseph W. Moss is a member of Mt Moriah Lodge No. 2 in Salt Lake City, Utah, and the Scottish Rite Bodies of Salt Lake. He works in the hospitality industry of Las Vegas, Nevada, and holds a B.S. Degree from Northern Arizona University in Business and Communications. The recent recipient of an Honorary Doctorate of Divinity and a Certificate of Accomplishment from World Christianship Ministries for outstanding community service, he also has an Honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from the St. Luke Evangelical School of Biblical Studies for a thesis on the similarities between Mormonism and Gnostic Christianity. His and his wife's family Masonic genealogy extends to before the Revolutionary War and back to Scotland, Ireland, and England. Lynda Moss intends to join the Eastern Star with her husband later this year.”

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
People are always looking for other people to blame; thus, seeds of hate
are sown and fertilized with fear. Freemasons have long been accused of Satanic practices as seen in the ludicrous illustration right from Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897. Source: Archives of the Supreme Council, S.J., 33°

Response: I don't anyone who is a Freemason. I just disagree with their practices. People have every right to outline legitimate critiques about any organization and that includes Masonry. Many of the top level of all Freemasons like Manly P. Hall, Levi Eliphas, and other from their own writings worshipped Satan or Lucifer and that’s documented. Many of them lived after Leo Taxil living in the 20th century. Eliphas Levi (initiated at the Lodge Rose du Porfait Silence of the Grand Orient of France on March 14, 1861) worshipped Satan as quoted in his The Mysteries of Magic, pg. 428. Manly Palmer Hall was a 33rd Degree Freemason (initiated in the Jewel Lodge No. 374 at November 22, 1954). Manly P. Hall was also a member of the Rosicrucian Order and founder of the Philosophical Research Society. The Scottish Rite Journal called him “The Illustrious Manly P. Hall” in September 1990 and “Masonry’s Greatest Philosopher.”Manly P. Hall's book entitled, "'The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry' on page 48 said that when the Mason learned his Craft, the energies of Lucifer are in his hands. This is not a Leo-Taxil quote since Hall’s comments are in the 1900’s and Taxil lived in the 19th century will no relationship with Hall at all. Hall also worshipped Satan from his The Secret Teachings of All Ages, page CIV. Many ministries and exposers of Masonry have always find out that many in the top levels of all Masons worship Satan (or Lucifer) among the fraternity. Not all Freemasons worship Satan obviously.

Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (a female co-Mason receiving the diploma of the 32nd Degree in the Ancient and Primitive Rite of England and Whales according to her own Scrapbook, vol. III, p. 256) worshipped Satan in her The Secret Doctrine, pgs. 171, 225, 255, etc. Arthur Edward Waite and others are occult Masons also plus involved with the New Age Movement. It’s a proven fact that many Masons embrace occultism and paganism. I have no fear, but the fear of God. It is a sin to hate my neighbor, so if my neighbor is a Mason, I love a Mason as myself. On the other hand, I will disagree with him in what they’re doing. That’s righteous and that isn’t a sin at all. Again, I promote no hate of people. I do hate evil as God calls me to do. Let’s get the facts out.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
A few weeks ago, someone at work noticed I was wearing a Masonic ring. The few questions he had seemed to show a genuine interest in the Fraternity, and I answered him frankly. Today, I ran into him again, and he asked me if I knew what the Illuminati were. I said it was a small rationalist group founded in Germany by Adam Weishaupt in 1776. It lasted only 10 years, was modeled on Masonry, but was not a Masonic order. Aside from having a more catchy title than other, similar groups reflecting the rationalism of the Age of Enlightenment, it had little influence. He then asked me if I were an Illuminatus. Of course, I answered negatively. He had a lot of other questions, which I answered carefully, but it soon became very obvious that there was a hidden agenda behind his questions and a change in his attitude toward me.


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Washington DC's Masonic Baphomet



Response: It is good that this man is against Freemasonry. The Illuminati-like cliques existed in many groups like the Alamboros in the 1500’s and others for thousands of years in search of the false light of Lucifer, acting in occultism, etc. Weishaupt formed the Bavarian Illuminati in 1776 of rationalists or Deists, but many of them seek to create the New World Order. The Bavarian Illuminati was broken up by the late 1700's. By the 1800’s, many offshoots came about like the League of the Just which funded Karl Marx and his form of Communism. George Washington after 1785 described the influences of the teachings of the Jacobins and the Illuminati in a letter. That alone is proof that the Illuminati had tons of influence in the world and flourished after 1786. Some scholars point similarities between Illuminism and Skulls and Bones also. The Illuminati united with Masonry at 1782 and is modeled after it. The Bavarian Illuminati has tons of influence in the world today because it promoted enlightenment (including rationalists) principles. Fritz Springmeier’s book "the Bloodlines of the Illuminati" details its existence today with 13 main bloodlines of the Illuminati the world over flourishing today. Certainly the goals of the Bavarian Illuminati like the overthrowing of monarchies have been achieved since 1785. There are many Illuminatus in the world back then (from Xavier von Zwack to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe) and an agenda to fight against Secret Societies now is holy unto God.


Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
He claimed the U.S. Government was controlled by Masons, that we were trying to bring everyone into a "New World Order," and that one of the reasons Afghanistan was fighting us was because they didn't want to become a New World Order country. The more he talked, the more conspiracies he described, and the more paranoid he appeared. According to him, even the streets in Washington, D.C., were laid out to form evil Masonic symbols; the eye on the back of the dollar bill is the eye of Satan placed there by Masons; George W. Bush is a Mason (which he's not); Bill Clinton is a Mason (wrong again), and that's why he escaped impeachment; there are hidden Degrees higher than the 33°, and Freemasons who hold these Degrees are dedicated to evil purposes, etc, etc., etc.


Washington DC Pyramid Layout

Response: The U.S. Government is run by Secret Societies, international bankers, and high level political groups. These cliques include the heads of multinational corporations and members of elite organizations or Secret Societies like Masonry, Trilateral Commission, CFR, MJ-12, Skulls and Bones, Bilderberg Group, World Future Society, etc. That's why George W. Bush is a Bonesman. That's why Barack Obama proposed numerous cabinet members who are CFR members (and even one is at least a Bilderberger member). Many Masons mentioned the New World Order as the new Golden Age.
33rd Degree Freemason William Smith in 1950 called for a new race, a new civilization, and a new religion. That is the essence of a New World Order. C. William Smith's "God's Plan in America," in the September 1950 issue of The New Age Magazine is the source where Smith called for the new order of the world. Therefore, this isn't a lie at all. Some Masons readily support the One World Religion (i.e. Some like 33rd Degree Freemason Robert Schuller think that Muslims, Christians, and Jews believe plus worship the same God which is a LIE). Many leaders like David Rockefeller, Bush Sr., Newt Gingrich, Gorbachev, even Billy Graham (another Mason according to Ed Parker), etc. have mentioned their plans for (or their support for) the creation of a New World Order [GHWB even said the words in favor of instituting a New World Order in 9/11/1990] for years. George H. W. Bush isn’t a Freemason. Afghanistan has a puppet leader by the name of Karsai and he was once trying to build the pipeline. Afghanistan is a control of high levels of opium exports and the establishment is trying to fully control the nation. The American Union agenda (under the guise of the SPP), the European Union, and other alliances are part of dividing the world into 10 divisions (according to researchers and Bible scholars. This is proposed to easily control the world in a one-world system). Bible prophecy even mentions 10 kings with power over the whole world in the book of Revelation as well. Conspiracies are mentioned throughout the Bible. If a man is paranoid, he should stop that and just tell the truth with no fear.

L’Enfant and others helped to create D.C. with Masonic symbols such as the compass, Pentagram (with one side missing. This has occult significance according to Manly P. Hall's book including the Riddles in Stone classic documentary), the Washington Monument, etc. Even the Masons back then put cornerstone on major sites in Washington D.C. This is easy common knowledge. This is even known by Freemasons like Michael Baigent . The above image, Ministries like Cutting Edge Ministries, Ralph Epperson have documented the Compass, Pentagram, and other evil, Masonic symbols in D.C. before. Plus, these groups have exposed Masonry as well. Masons or those connected with Rosicrucianism like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, etc. created and promoted the All Seeing Eye as an American logo in our Great Seal. Plus, in the 1930’s Vice President Freemason Henry A. Wallace, supported its use. David Rivera’s New World Order book confirms this. The All Seeing Eye is even seen from George Washington’s Apron. William Jefferson Clinton was a DeMolay Freemason when he was a child. The All Seeing Eye of God isn’t the eye of God since God was never referred as a single eye, neither a single eye inside a triangle from the Holy Scriptures. Many New Agers use the Single Eye in their precepts.
Sources like John Daniel’s Scarlet and the Beast, 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason Albert Pike, Thomas Milton Stewart’s “The Symbolism of the Gods of the Egyptians and the Light They Throw on Freemasonry” prove that the All Seeing Eye is from the Ancient Mystery Religions meaning the Eye of Horus (a known code name for Lucifer, Satan according to occultists). Ancient Egypt readily uses the Single Eye in their culture, which is pagan in it of itself.

http://www.luckymojo.com/allseeingeye.html is one link showing the pagan origin of the All Seeing Eye. The children't DeMolay group was named after Jacques de Molay, who headed the Knights Templar. Later, he died with his followers. They were accused, convicted, and executed by the Pope and the King of France of Satan worship and immoral acts, which they deny doing. Many of the Templars traveled to Scotland and some claim that they are the ancestors of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Billy Clinton was definitely a DeMolay Freemason when he was a child and he supports the Scottish Rite to this day. Although, Clinton isn't a Freemason. During Clinton’s impeachment trial (according to Cutting Edge Ministries), many Masonic Senators like Dole and Trent Lott didn’t vote to impeach him since they were bounded by an oath to even lie to their “brothers.” There are degrees higher than 33 in Grand Orient Lodges and other Lodges in Europe. They include the Rite of the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis Misraïm.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
It wasn't long before a fellow employee chimed in with his two cents, and I realized that he was the one filling everyone's head with this nonsense, even giving out audio and videotapes that laid it all on the line. I, in turn, defended the Fraternity saying that, among other benefits to society, a lot of charity work is done by Masons and that the central moral code of Masonry is the "Golden Rule." I also pointed out that a Bible is always open when a Lodge is working, that the Pledge Of Allegiance is said at every meeting, and that a large percentage of the people involved in Masonry are dedicated Christians.

Response: Most of what the man presents isn’t nonsense. Tons of scholars, ministries, and others in videos and book outlined the evils of Freemasonry for years. I see nothing wrong with the man showing that to you. Freemasonry may veil itself in charity, but charity isn’t the sole criteria to find if a group is real or not. Cults can act in great charity, but that doesn’t mean they’re authentic or real. Freemasonry’s dogma must be judged by its total composition. Since its dogma is contrary to the Bible on many levels like swearing an oath, pagan symbolism, its embrace of the Kabbala (as mentioned by Albert Pike), unity among different faiths, and its secrecy, I reject it. The Koran, Bible, etc. are accepted in Freemasonry equally. There is no real Christian who would accept false faiths or its book; therefore since you add unscriptural things, you’re false. The Pledge of Allegiance never validates true Christianity let alone true patriotism. The Pledge was created by a socialist and has no consequence to him if he refused to accept it. Instead, I pledge Allegiance to God alone not a flag. Plus, charity and ethics can never save, but the blood of Jesus Christ alone. The amount of professing “Christian” Masons is never a sign of a true organization as well.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason : Soon, these two were into other nonsensical rumors: that Mormons must have sex in the Temple on an altar when they are married; that Catholics think all Protestants are heretics; that Catholicism goes back to the Tower of Babel and is, in actuality, the worship of Baal; that Jews are "Christ killers" with secret, sacrificial rites. And then, of course, there are the dreaded Freemasons! Unfortunately, someone who hasn't actually gone to sources to separate fact from fiction can, if so minded, accept all of these ridiculous assertions as true.

Response: Once again, you hold false generalizations. I certainly don’t believe that Mormons explicitly have sex in altars. On the other hand, Mormons do have occult ceremonies and embrace anti-Bible beliefs like man can be a god after death, Jesus went into ancient America, the Lost tribes of Israel traveled to ancient America, Blacks aren't to given full Preisthood in Mormonism (which the Mormons ended that discrimination and racism in the 1970's), etc. As for heretics, the Catholic Church until 1962 considered all Protestants heretics by decrees of the Pope including their Council of Trent. The Council on Trent went as far as calling those who dissent with Catholicism as anathema or damned to Hell. That's is wrong since only Almighty God can damn someone to Hell. All Catholics may not call all Protestants heretics, but the Catholic Church hierarchy did until 1962 when the Vatican II Document was ratified.

Even with Vatican II, the Catholics considered Protestants separated brethren to be united, which is a battle cry for all believers to oppose Catholicism’s mythological decrees and dogma. The components of Catholicism such as the wafer, dress, concept of Pope, etc. derive from Babylon and even from the Tower of Babel. Bishop Alexander Hislop proved that indeed in his book called the Two Babylons. The worship of Baal is definitely related to the circular disk used in Mass indeed. As for whom killed Christ, Jewish unbelievers with the Romans and all mankind killed Christ. Jewish people who follow the Talmud and the Noachide Laws are unbelievers. Many of the Kabbalah followers do follow secret, sacrificial rites. Freemasons have structures that are anti-God, so I’ve opposed them for years. I’ve done my research and you have used half-truths not facts.



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Masonic Eye



Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
I, too, before becoming a Mason, had heard some of these rumors. Then I looked at my father, a Mason, and saw he was a good man. So I decided to do some research. Primary sources, not second-hand, unproved allegations, convinced me that when Masons are hated it is because they believe in liberty and freedom of religion, speech, and thought. I found that Masons live ethical lives guided by a high moral code, and that they help, often anonymously, handicapped children and many others in need any way they can.

Response: Freemasonry readily uses charity work and good works to make it appear legitimate. There is nothing wrong with helping people in need. Yet, Man cannot appease God by good works, but by God’s grace through faith first. Then works will follow after faith, grace, and justification. A relationship with God is a first priority not joining a false group. A sinner can do good works all of his or her lives and still go to Hell following the wrong path. Masons accept Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, and many monotheistic religious followers as “brothers” of the Lodge. This is false for the Lord Jesus Christ perfectly said that I am the way, the truth, and Life, and no man comes unto the Father but by me. Christianity is exclusive not inclusive of false faiths as Masonry is. In the Lodge, the Koran, the Bible, and other texts are used as equals being inconsistent to God for God is a God of unity not confusion (There is only one book of the Bible, only one God, and only one focused path to righteousness by him and his Son. It is not related to Masonry at all.) Masonry also have ceremonies, which mimic the Ancient Mysteries religions of old, which is out of the question for anyone to follow.

People have a right to say the Pledge of Allegiance but: That pledge was created by a socialist and all of my honor and pledge is to Almighty God alone not the conforming trends of war-mongering or pseudo-patriotism. People from many religions join with Masonry and that with other reasons will make me never to join it. As for sources, I’ve quoted from Masons’ own writing like the Morals and Dogma, Encyclopedia on Freemasonry, etc. so I’m not ignorant and these facts aren’t brought out of thin air. These are from authentic Masonic authorities not hearsay.


Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
I found that George Washington was a Freemason, as well as Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Thomas Edison, Norman Vincent Peale, Mozart, countless inventors, innovators, and religious leaders who were and are all part of this great nation and historic fraternity. On a personal basis, the Masons I have met come from all different walks of life and have always treated me with dignity and respect. In every instance, the "Golden Rule" of the Bible has been applied and lived by each of these men. In addition, their families are law-abiding, patriotic, and caring.

Response: There are religious groups, ex-Masons, and other leaders who dissent with the Craft (Masonry). Masons follow moral codes based on ecumenicalism and a synthetic-style philosophy not the Word of God. If they want to embrace the Golden Rule, all Masons need to obey Christ who said not to swear an oath at all. I will not compromise or waver in my mind and conscience.

George Washington was a Freemason and some scholars claimed that he didn't perform a massive amount of Masonic duties by December 1799. George Washington wasn't even a Grand Master Mason of Virginia. Harry Truman was an Elite and was a protégé of the Pendergast Democrat crime Machine in Kansas, City, Missouri. This criminal is involved in the genocidal terrorism at Hiroshima, Japan. According to Anglie Carlson’s book review and F. J. P. Veale in his 1948 book “Advance to Barbarism” not only was the Dresden air raid an evil act, but by January 1945, FDR received an offer of Japanese surrender (via General MacArthur’s headquarters) exactly as after the dropping the bomb in July 1945. Truman discussed with Stalin at Bebelsberg about the Japanese offer to surrender, but still allowed the Holocaust of Hiroshima plus Nagasaki to develop. It fulfilled no military purpose at all, but killed 70,000 innocent human beings. The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946:

"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Here’s more information about the genocide of Hiroshima:

“When Eisenhower was told of the bomb he said: "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." - Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

-On August 8, 1945, after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Herbert Hoover wrote to Army and Navy Journal, "The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul."

-May of 1946 Hoover met with General Douglas MacArthur. Hoover recorded in his diary, "I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia into Manchuria."( From http://web.archive.org/web/20020606095721/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/truman.html)
Truman as explained by One of America's foremost historians, David McCollough, in his biography of Truman, proved that Harry Truman used racial slurs against blacks and Jewish people. He’s a disgrace of a man. His character is very low. Teddy Roosevelt was an imperialist, so many Freemasons were “pious” and some weren’t. Freemason Norman Vincent Peale is a supporter of occult books like the Jesus Letters by Jane Palzere and Anna Brown dealing with Satanic channeled messages. The book calls that heaven is available to unbelievers and embraces the “Christ consciousness Spirit” (also promoted by psychic Sylvia Brown) that the Antichrist will use. Peale accepts the false doctrine of positive thinking. That relates to the Buddhism religion and that isn’t Christian at all. Kenneth Copeland by his own words called God, a he-she, which is blasphemy. Copeland is also accused of being 33rd Degree Freemason and he's definitely a false preacher. Many people opposed Freemasonry and had great character including teachers, inventors, innovators, scholars, religious men, patriots, educators, etc. like President John Quincy Adams, Charles Finney, William Morgan, Jack Harris, Jim Shaw, and many other people. They loved people, were law-abiding, and cared for humanity.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
As a matter of fact, the accusations against Freemasons are completely false, just like the untruths spread about Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, and Jews—not to mention what has been falsely alleged regarding just about every cultural, political, physical, or national group from Italians, Hispanics, African-Americans, and Muslims to Liberals, Conservatives, artists, academics, blondes, and the overweight, etc. ad nauseam infinitum! This is dangerous thinking at its worst. People are always looking for other people to blame; thus, seeds of hate are sown and fertilized with fear.

Response: There are many accusations against many people that are false, but why don’t you discuss which accusations against Catholics and Mormons are false. Catholics think that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that bread and wine used in a religious ceremony transforms into the blood and body of Christ, which is superstitious. Catholics believe that the Pope is God’s representative on Earth and one Pope claimed that all Christians must be subject under him in authority (also, the Papacy believes in the false teachings of mandatory celibacy for clergy, veneration of images, calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, etc.), which aren't lies at all., Mormons think that man can achieve godhood; Christ saved all sins at Gethsemane, and other unbiblical theology. The Vatican have done genocide, torture, and other evils form the Ustashi Massacres of innocent people, the Bartholomew Massacre, the Inqustion, and the Crusades. These aren't lies at all. You are a coward if you continue to not faithfully expose these unbiblical cults. Freemasons were key in the invention of the Mormons and Brigham Young was a false prophet plus a racist. To brand Italians, Hispanics, African-Americans, and Muslims to Liberals, Conservatives, artists, academics, blondes, and the overweight, etc. in false connotations are obviously wrong of course. I have no fear but God alone and hatred of evil is not immoral.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
After about 20 minutes of listening to this garbage, I'd heard enough. I announced that not only was I a Mason but a 32° Scottish Rite Mason, PROUD of it, and certainly not in league with Satan. Of what I had heard, 99% was false with 1% truth to make it sound as if it could be true. Ignorance is our biggest enemy.

Response: Really, some of the justifications Masons use to make them appear clean is garbage. You shouldn’t be proud of being a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason and many Masons are in league with Satan as I’ve mentioned before. Freemasonry has tons of things untrue and they use to manipulate people. Albert Pike (from his Morals and Dogma book) mentioned that the lower level Freemasons are intentionally described deception in the Blue Lodge to make him think he knows what Masonry is all about. That's deception point blank. Many Masons don’t worship Satan, but some do. What is shown here is true and it isn’t ignorance. Ignorance is our enemy, but fake groups are as well.
The Masonic Lodge does have occultic symbols in it. For example, the All Seeing Eye is really the pagan eye of Horus. The obelisk refers to the false god of Baal and the phallic of Osiris. That's why God in the OT hated the obelisk and wanted the Hebrews to destroy it. It's still around as the Washington Monument. The logo of the Shriners have an image of a pagan Egyptian Goddess with a Crescent plus Moon logo. In the oath of the Shriners, you praise Allah (which is a false god that was mentioned as the solar deity in the times of B.C.) and Muhammad. That isn't Christian at all.

Joseph W. Moss II, a 32nd Degree Freemason wrote:
So where does all this leave us as Masons? First, we must remember to discern between truth, rumor, and falsehood. There will always be those intent on finding a scapegoat for their problems. At some point, all the groups I mentioned above were excluded, tortured, enslaved, or otherwise harmed because of ignorance and arrogance. Let's be careful what we believe and spread as supposed truth. Let's not create an enemy where there isn't one. If we are going to fight someone, let there be a good reason and let that reason be 100% true. Let's not destroy this country from the inside by finding hidden enemies where there aren't any. After all, that's what the Taliban and other extremists want us to do.


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Response: What does it leave us real believers? We must gather real sources and confront Masonic propaganda. You are right that we must use truth and not false information. I’m not scapegoating anyone, but outlining that Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity by its secretive oaths, pagan ceremonies, its embrace of false names for God like JAH-BUL-ON, its embrace of the Kabbala, and false religious fellowship that violate the Word of God. Only someone who is silly would torture any human being by virtue of disagreement or joining an occult, Satanic group like Freemasonry. There is an enemy among Masons like J. Edgar Hoover, Lee Hamilton, Robert Schuller, and others who are into creating folly. I choose to fight Satan and his cohorts through exposures, prayer, self-defense, and following God and his Word.

My reasoning is 100% true by sources and the horse’s mouth. I think that Bush and his cronies have tried to destroy this country by illegal wars, illegal laws, and a confused populace. Their administration is now over. The Taliban and Osama bin Laden was supported by the U.S. government in the 1980’s and this war against them was planned before 9/11. So these simple facts prove that this war on terrorism was staged for decades. You can look at the book "The Great Chessboard" book, Operation Northwoods, W199I , etc. to see the evidence. The Baphomet (the false goat god that Satanists revere) was promoted by Freemason Eliphas Levi and many Masons accept that image as well. This is yet another smoking proving gun the occultism so prelevant in Freemasonry. Like anyone, we hope for the best of Joseph Moss II. We do hope that he will wake up.

By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)


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13 comments:

Gary said...

Freemasonry is antiChrist thru and thru!

Freemasonry is against the Holy Church Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, established by Him thru His Holy Apostles...That Holy Church which is based on The Holy Scriptues AND the Holy Traditions of The Apostles and their SUCESSORS...this Apostolic Sucession is the REAL Church that Jesus, The Son Of The Living God, established...and Freemasonry is against it!

Anonymous said...

Yes it really is me. I found your article and I have to say that what you are saying is no different than what I put up with that day at work and being called a Satanist. Funny, but there are web pages all over that have used my article, and many of them have even taken things out of context, or even added to what I said. I would suggest reading the actual article at http://tinyurl.com/6ahuul and compare it to what has been written on the various web sites which can be found through google by putting my name Joseph W. Moss II (in quotation marks) into the search engine. You'll see that what I wrote and what people are quoting that I wrote are in many instances very different. That in and of itself should make you question the bias.

As for the religious questions you raise, I simply don't have a problem with what you profess. There are many different variations of Christianity out there, all that profess Christ as the Savior. But I would also suggest that you study history to understand your faith. Understand that the faith of Paul and what he professed was not the same as the faith of James who actually knew Christ firsthand and what he taught. Paul's Christianity survived and is what we accept as the true faith today, but I think if you studied what Christ said and what Paul said, you might find some stark differences. So where the two differ I would err on the side of Christ, not Paul. (or as one friend put it, "I really like Christ's earlier stuff! ) :)...a small joke to be sure, but it does make a very good point.

Anyway, I enjoyed your entertaining article. Needless to say I have heard it all before. But as Christ said, "Before removing the splinter from another's eye, you should remove the mote from your own."

God Bless

Joseph W. Moss II 32*

Timothy said...

Yes, I knew you would respond. Here's my response below.

Timothy said...

It's interesting that you have take the time to response to little old me. I guess I'm making an impact. Now, here's the response. Ironically, I've shown more than what the person said to you at work. You call yourself not a Satanist. I take you at your word. Yet, you still align yourself with a group that has death oaths, embraces the Kabbala, and have an ecumencial-like feel to it. This group is of course Freemasonry. Web pages using your articles is fine. That doesn't escape the truth of what Freemasonry is at all.

Your advice of checking other sites about the context of your words are interesting. I will do this when I find time. I've studied Christianity for a number of years. Variations of Christianity? There may be different cliques of Christians, but the simple faith of Jesus Christ is easy to understand and example. There are certain non-negiotable doctrine that define a Christian like the resurrection, Jesus Christ being the Messiah, etc. Your points about Paul and James is rather interesting. So, you believe that Paul is a false leader in Christianity. I certainly don't because Paul did teach the resurrection, the divinity of Jesus Christ, and prophecy about the future. James did similar thing in emphasizing that Christians can't do what they want whenever they want. You are right we err on Jesus Christ alone. Yet, Paul's words are apart of the Scriptures as well. We follow Jesus and his Word.

My article was meant to be entertaining and accurate to describe the reality about Freemasonry. Jesus Christ said Judge righteous judgment in John 7;24. Therefore, we have every right to use judgment in legitimate matters. Of course, we can't judge a person's heart or their salvation. Only God can do that. My article outlines source after source to validate my views unlike some of the radical guy you've encountered at your job.

This is my response to you.

Timothy said...

I wonder why you want to bash Paul? Is it because Paul said that salvation is by grace through faith alone or that his words have huge power refuting Freemasonry? I certainly wonder.

Vatic Master said...

Timothy, I didn't see Mr. Mosses comments as bashing Paul... I saw him as saying Paul was teaching differently than James and that James was closer to Christ and had walked with him so he carries more weight than Paul.. that is what he said.

Hmmm, maybe Mr. Moss has something here. I also agree that to learn about your faith, you have to also study the history. As you know, if you accept Paul and the Bible, as presented by the Nicene conference in Rome, than you are accepting the Catholic Church and all its writings.

So, are all protestants heretics??? Its the same kind of issue here. I have done as Mr. Moss has suggested and studied the history of the Bible and all the writings. Have you? Did you know that the Gospels of St. Thomas were used by the early Christians for about 150 years??? That was until one of the "pauline" Bishops (professional clergy) had determined and decided it was heresy.

Did you know that Paul was not only a Pharisee, but also an Agrippa? Did you know that means he was half Roman and a direct relation to Herod? Did you know the Nicene conference that built those books included pagans??? Did you know that Constantine held that conference for political reasons and never got baptized or converted, he stayed a pagan until his death when he finally allowed himself to be baptized?

Did you know the early christians of Christs church did follow Jesus teachings that professional clergy (given his experience with the Pharisees) were suseptible to corruption and wrongdoing and power? Thus he and his early followers met in homes and voluntarily shared admin duties and rotated rather than have professional clergy? After Christ died, they carried on in the same manner.

Did you know Paul turned James into the Romans who then executed him? That left Paul as the sole voice for Christianity and thus the "paulines" were structured more like the Jewish religion than like Christs original intent?

Have you read the Nag Hammadi Library? Did you know they are only original manuscripts of the apostles writings? There are no originals of the Official Bibles writings except for Isaiah found in the dead sea scrolls, and some of the old Testament but not of the new?

Did you know that Constantine began the practice for Christians of meeting in churches that he gave to them that used to be used for the various pagan religions? Prior to that, these early Christians met in homes informally.

Did you know there are many lodges of Masons? Did you know the ones in Britian and France did NOT HAVE STONE MASONS IN THEM. They were a meeting place for the elite, but that was not the case for the Scots and others???? Did you know that the Knights Templar who were severely persecuted by the Catholic Church and France were saved by the Scottish Masons and protected by them?

I believe that objectivity is critical when dealing with such "emotional" issues as religion, otherwise we miss the truth completely. Many of the gospels and letters currently in the Bible had been eliminated by the Nicene conference as heresy and were put back in later... John comes to mind and the Apocalypse or as we now know it as "Revelations" and also some of Johns letters to the Hebrews.

What exactly do you know???

Timothy said...

Interesting comments, Here's my response:

He said that Paul's version of Christianity is different from Jesus Christ's version of Christianity. If that's not bashing Paul, I don't know what is since if Paul had teaching contrary to Jesus (then Paul had a false version of Christianity). Of course, Paul's views are consistent with Jesus Christ's views.

James was closer to Jesus Christ, but that doesn't discount everything Paul has written down.
Mr. Moss is wrong on Masonry, Paul, and other issues. I do study history. I do know completely about my faith as well. Also, there were canons of the Bible before the Nicene Council. I don't agree with everything in the Nicene Council, because it centralizes power unto Rome. I don't agree with Papal Rome at all. I reject papal teachings. You are dead wrong. Also, the books of the NT existed before the Papacy existed.

The Syond of Antioch in 266 A.D. and the Council of Laodicea in 363 A.D. outlined scriptural books as well. There was even the Muratorian Canon from 170 A.D. as found in Italy.
All Protestants are of course not heretics. You certainly have studied the Bible, but through a Gnostic lens. Atheists have studied the Bible and religious history, but come out in bashing religion. The Gospel of St. Thomas was accepted by the Gnostics. It has many exaggerations that many Christians critics. The Gospel of St. Thomas make unconfirmed claims of Jesus from his 5th to 12th year of his childhood. That false gospel promotes secrecy as is forbidden in the book of Matthew. IT also falsely claims that a women must be made a male in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Gnosticism is an early heresy. Also, "pauline" bishop is a slick phrase utilized to bash Paul as usual. Original manuscripts lacking doesn't mean that God's Word doesn't exist.


We have copies of OT and NT scripts from the time of B.C. and in the NT even before 100 A.D. Also, I don't follow Constantine's philosophies at all. Constantine to me is a potent heretic who is also a false Christian.


Paul being a Phariesee has nothing to do with his life now. Frankily, he rejected the Pharisees and became a Christian. How cares if he was related to Herod. We are judged by our actions not by what we are related to at all. You do realize that Dr. F. F. Bruce said that the NT has over 5,000 Greek manuscripts and it's the most documented ancient book. I realize the history of Constantine. I understand that he was a fake Christian for being a closet sun worshipper and refusing to be baptized until him being at his death bed. Do you know that the early Christians like Tertullian rejected the Gnostic teachings?


I also realize that the early Christians follow Jesus' teachings. I don't know why you are bringing this up since it's easily proven that Christians back then lived simplistic lives. There is no conclusive evidence that Paul turned James into the Romans at all. Paul was a great teacher. He was an inspiration for Christians not only living in Rome, but all over the world. Jewish religion? There is nothing wrong with being Jewish at all. In fact, Christianity is related to true Torah Judaism. Judaism may be obsolete for us to follow today, but it's not Satanic at all. The Nag Hammadi is a fountain head of Gnosticism plainly. That library has 13 codices and 52 tractates. Now, I know your agenda. I realize the many parts of Freemasonry. I make that clear that there are tons of Masonic groups. Yet, they are tied by their unbiblical views, their embrace of occultism, and their nefarious history. The nefarious history of Freemasonry include Masons' involvement in violent revolutions, the use of death oaths, and the deception placed unto its lower level members (as admitted by Albert Pike). There were guilds that tie into the history of Freemasonry. There were the speculative masons and the operative Freemasons. The history of the Knights Templar is controversial. Objectivity is fine with me, but Moss is certainly not objective by calling people who disagree with Freemasonry as ignorant. Objectivity is a 2 way street. You can't claim that there is no new world order agenda then claim objectivity. Many of the Gnostic books were rejected before the Nicene conference, because they were in fact heretical. Gnosticism is a big heresy. Also, I don't trust the Nicene Conference since it was a power grab by elitists. You are false in claiming that I don't know much. You know what I know? I know that Gnosticism was a 2nd century heresy refuted with ease by many early real Christians. I know that Freemasonry was condemned as a threat to society by President John QUincy Adams. I know that God doesn't like the witchcraft similarities of the Blue Lodge rituals and some Witchcraft rituals.


I know that the New Testament is perserved more than any other ancient script in history. I know that I have a First Amendment right and a moral right to dissent with Freemasonry. I know that you haven't refuted my fundamental points at all but use a diatribe about Constantine. That is what I know. I know a lot more than this as well.

Anonymous said...

Gary, The catholic church is not based on the writings of the apostles and our Lord. Its based on the writings approved by the negotiated contact of the pagans with the paulines under the guidance of a pagan emperor who only converted to christianity when on his death bed as a "hedge" and no more.

There were thousands of writings of the original apostles left out of that negotiated set of books, and included were writings from some who never met the original apostles, Then you have the so called easy reading Bible from King James which is exactly like the Catholic Bible with a few unimportant exceptions in proverbs and psalms. Thats it. They bought the new testament lock stock and barrel.

Anonymous said...

Joseph Moss, what a great response you gave. What you have said along with years of studying the very very early church before the nicene conference I find you are more close to correct than anyone who begins with the Nicene conference and unfortunately, the KJB matches the Catholic Bible with rare minor exceptions.

I also began studying about the masons and have found a major difference between the York lodge and the rest. I also believe the knights Templar, from my studies, came back from the middle east with a 'treasure' and it was not gold or wealth, rather it was actual writings of the apostles and they passed those on to the masons when they had to seek asylum from the Catholic Church.

My studies also showed that you are right about James and Paul. In fact, at the nicene conference, it was the "Paulines" that dominated and selected the christian writings to be include and eliminated over 1,000 writings of the actual apostles.

Further, Paul was half Roman, and half Agrippa, (Herods family) which was also half roman. Further Paul turned James into the Romans who then executed him, so Paul was directly responsible for James death. Notice in the Nicene conference there were only two letters included in the Bible by James and Peter.... they were the two major apostles.

That is interesting when you discover Luke was not an apostle, he was an Armenian Dr, who never met or walked with Christ and he was a protoge of Paul in the mediterraean.

There is much more, but the masons suffered greatly in Europe for having that knowledge and that is why many of them came here to seek safety and freedom to do good works for mankind using their knowledge.

Of course, we know how vigilant the evil ones are so eventually they infiltrated every single religious organization on the planet at the highest levels. Enough.... there is more, but I jsut want to say I support your findings through serious long term independant research.

Vatic Master said...

Timothy, I notice you did not mention the "Nag Hammadi Library" that the paulines confiscated in 150ad under "Bishop" Iraneas who was professional clergy that Christ was against. The original church before that was a volunteer situation for administrative purposes only. He took it upon himself to purge the writings of the original apostles and that is why so little got into the eventual nicene conference.

Further, Paul made Christian converts first convert to Judaism. Christ never made that a condition of his church. Neither did any of the apostles, and if you love Paul so much, how come he turned James in and had him killed? Its record and the record is available, I know I found it.

Anonymous said...

Gary, lumping everyone together into one slanderous slur, won't educate nor serve anyone. Try providing some links and resources for your readers to access. For instance, why don't you tell us the difference between the various lodges of free masons? York Lodge vs American scottish Right, or even the spanish lodges? Instead you just easily and without any work, simply make them all bad..... its like lumping all blacks into "drug users and sellers" which is also rediculous.

Otherwise you sound like a man with an agenda who believes he is perfect and that goes against everything our Lord taught us about being meek, humble, and open to others, without judgement, only facts. Try it, you will like it.

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